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Any recs for (mostly older) speculative fiction with interesting prose experimental or transgressive elements? Modern stuff seems so codifiedSo far I have>The Worm Ouroboros >Invisible Cities>Dhalgren >Pilgermann>Titus Groan
>>23298012>speculative fictionwhat does that even mean? What is speculative about the worm ouroboros? What if people lived on venus? What if icelandic saga but fantasy?
>>23299623This was so fucking good >>23301132>olaf stapledon's last and first menThis was really ahead of its time as well
>>23303582Speculative fiction is a term used to describe those books that land somewhere between horror, fantasy and sf.
>>23303582It's a term for unrealistic fiction, it includes genre fiction but not all speculative works are genre >>23303798You're thinking of weird fiction
>>23298012naked lunch
You already know the mystery
>>23300254>>23302637I wonder if any good mystery has ever been written by the “follow your nose” method? — i.e. the author not knowing the ending before he started?Hard to imagine, but I guess something like this is possible:* Writer imagines cool character / situation (e.g. some variant of the locked room mystery)* Starts writing to get himself into it* Works out the plot* Goes back and revises the opening so as to make everything fit the final solution
You open the door and step into the room. You found a dead body, shot into the heart. He had been alive 5 minutes ago. There was only one door, the one you opened and had watched all the time. Noone but you could open the door and noone else came even near. There were no windows or other openings in the walls, the floor, the ceiling were of steel and had no openings either. The room had been 100% empty 5 minutes ago when the victim stepped inside, now only the victims body lay there, no gun, no weapon, nothing. Here you go, OP, now you can write a mystery novel about it, without knowing the solution. When this become the next Murder on Orient Express I want 30% royalties
>>23300254But what if you dont?
>>23302730What is the solution?
>>23300254Ingresesque
Books on why society is tolerant and encouraging of homosexual rape?If all sexualities are equally valid and accepted, why is homesexual rape good but heterosexual rape bad?Is it because normies are retarded cattle?
Don’t commit crimes then simple as
>>23304238Perhaps we should also torture prisoners in your mind? Rip their teeth out, their nails out, one by one. Doesn't matter that there is a significant portion of falsely accused prisoners, which could even be you. You wouldn't give a fuck. Where would you stop? Maybe surgically remove their eyes so they can't see? Insert glass eyes. Force them to cut off their own dick and eat it. How much are you willing to humiliate their body and their soul?
>>23304222I don't think I have read any arguments that homosexual rape is good. I'm also not interested in reading any such thing either. You might be interested in Offences and Defenses by Gardner though to see some of how the criminal justice system views this issue. A male body is not worth a much as a female body in these terms, so I would say it is less that society views it as good, but rather just not as bad.
>>23304241Depends on what crime they committed. I think lashings, castration and death penalty is all you need really. No point in prisons.
>>23304222Discipline and Punish.
It wasn’t very good
>>23303848Regrettably, Muramaki is a man. And Sayaka Murata mogs him.
Aomame parts were literally unbearable to read in last book of this
>>23303522the book begins with a janacek reference so you'd expect it to be excellent right
great writer
>>23303842No, Kafka on the Shore is by far his worse.
What does /lit/ think of BookTok?
filled with literary McChickens
I don't use tiktok so I have no idea what they post about on there. You would do the same (not use tiktok) if you were smart.
>>23304193It's basically the decision between the 2 positions that were around in the early Harry Potter days:>it gets young people to read at all, which is good>it gets young people to read trash, which is badYou decide (not saying HP is garbage btw, but that was the debate)
>>23304282Reading some of the slop from booktok is worse than reading nothing
>>23304303The question is what they'd do with their time otherwise, and the answer is probably social media and slop in other mediums like videogames and streaming shows
Another one of the greats has left us. RIP 1942-2024
>>23304246>set theory What's your favorite set?
>>23304260I haven't expressed this clearly enough, but I am open to challenge my beliefs. If you disagree with what I said, present with an intellectually honest proselytization of your belief.
>all this disrespect and shit flinging >all this bitter Christfag jealousy >in a thread about Santa's deathHe brought joy and smiles to children the world over every Christmas. Have some respect.
>>23304283kek
>>23304161Based
Are these worth getting into? I've always wanted more from this IP after watching the mess of a TV adaptation. Or is it a waste of time because George will never finish the series?
>>23304284It's worth it. You'll understand all the uproar around Winds of Winter when you read the books.
Why is Mary Shelley slept on outside of Frankenstein? Pic related is a beautiful passage from The Last Man.
>>23303893I know what I'm reading next. Thx OP.
Can anyone figure out what this is supposed to mean? For those who haven't read Ender's Shadow: Bean is a young genius in a space battle school. He's tired from constant battle practice in this scene.The equation is easily solvable with algebra and doesn't have any significance in any field. I genuinely have no clue what Orson was going for here.
>>23301319Notice the brackets.(4/pi)^2 is the same as 4^2/pi^2, or 16/pi^2.
test >>>/sci/16136364
high contrast version for the visually impaired
note that the equation uses small n, but he says>when you know the value of Nmathematical variables aren't case insensitive. ignorance of the author, or means something?>>23300984>>23301102fucking lol
>>23304248Kek. Thanks, bro.
Kidnapped Panchen Lama edition.Previous: >>23298914
Maybe a silly or redundant thought, but just in reading a bit of this latest self-immolation guy writing, I just thought how funny context is.. Because I could well imagine some parts there being uttered by a character in a "postmodern" novel, and the very same people chiding it now, would be praising it and saying it's deep or stimulating
I’ve never wanted to leave my college town, let alone my state. Is that weird? It seems like everyone is in a rush to get to San Francisco or Austin or Miami or New York, but none of these places appeal to me.
One of the things that’s hard to square with Spengler is the fact that there are many cities in the world which are far more populous than any in the West.
>>23302177I need my ex back, or at least to kiss her one last time.
>>23304278yeah me too. but after that, I'd want more
/lit/ humor thread
>>23299109who's feet?
>>23297340that ending is one of the funniest things ive read
>>23301576hey, i wrote those!
>>23304229Pdf:https://annas-archive.org/md5/5cdb93a5bcd9d93b3db2a5a2e396156aPhysical:https://www.lulu.com/shop/herman-melville-and-anonymous/moby-dick/paperback/product-7wgny7.html
>>23299666Wtf I love the antichrist now
Who's the Ian Curtis of literature?
Breece Pancake, or maybe O'Toole.
>>23303641Kafka. His books probably embody what Ian Curtis felt like. Also they both have the same disturbed look in their eyes.
>I've wating for a guy to come and take me by the hand>Could these sensations make me feel the pleasure of another man?
>>23303641Didn't Tony Curtis compare him to Keats?
>>23304294Guide.Guide!
Who are the greats of Canada? Is there a Great Canadian Novel?
>>23302370the closest thing Canada probably ever had to a great writer was Hugh MacLennan, his book The Watch that Ends the Night in particular is quite good. but no one talks about him now; in fact Canadian Literature has more or less been taken over by the kind of leftist, "diverse" (I.e. dogshit) novels peddled by academia
>>23302842Don't forget folk music anon. Stan Rogers, Gordon Lightfoot, Loreena McKennitt
>>23302370F. P. GroveWyndham LewisMcLuhanCoupland
>>23302988you are such a retard
>>23302370Robertson Davies. I recommend his books every chance I get.
Is there anything non-computational about poetry?It's well-understood now that language, at least its syntactic component, is a computational system (in fact, it's not even Turing complete). The question is, does literature/poetry somehow transcend this in any way? If it does, my guess would be that this "transcendence" takes place during the temporal process of going from syntax to semantics, or perhaps its to do with what our memory does with the images implanted by the poetry into our minds.
>>23303965How do people get this braindead?
>>23303901>Is there anything non-computational about poetry?The obvious answer is to relocate this question to language itself. If there is nothing non-computational about language, then there cannot be anything so about poetry. The line between poetry and language can be fine, or more specifically what separates quotidian and poetic language. Now there is very clearly, to anyone with a brain, much that is non-computational about language, or what is essential to language is non-computational, even if its intelligibility requires the *possibility* (not to say the reality) of being computational. To call language computational is is an abstraction of an entirely secondary nature from the reality.
>>23303901>>23304077Poetry, like all language, gestures at experience. The experience is the non-computational part. What distinguishes poetry is that it also consciously curates the auditory experience of the words themselves.
>>23303901Recognized language (any language that one must learn in order to speak) and derived meaning (the understanding/meaning pursuent thereof) will never transcend their contrived origins, I think. Even something like this video, where babies seem to be speaking their own language largely devoid of discrete syntactical variation besides tone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmGdb0H6VAs) fails to make contact with the dao of language, I think.In reference to the fundamental issue at hand, that of objectification and inordinate classification, these buddhist suttas are relevant:https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/KN/StNp/StNp4_14.htmlhttps://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/KN/Ud/ud7_7.html>Is there anything non-computational about poetry?I don't think so because all poetry relies, I think, on one have a determinable standing place / mindset in order to entertain or otherwise bring about compelling emotion(s).
>>23304188>Poetry, like all language, gestures at experience. The experience is the non-computational part.Well said
