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Welcome to /k/, 4chan's weapons board. Our board centers around weapons, armor, and other myriad military technology. While guns are the primary topic, threads involving any other sort of weapons, from swords and knives to tanks and jet fighters, come up frequently as well. If you're new, we suggest reading the sticky at http://amagicalplace.wikia.com/wiki/Sticky to get acquainted with the board's subject matter.

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/k/ is a board devoted to weapons and military equipment.

Discussions about politics or current events belong on /pol/.

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Do not post threads about gun control. They belong on /pol/.

Troll threads will be deleted, and those posting troll posts will be banned.

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>Taliban forces ambush a Pakistani military patrol in the Pakistani highlands

how do you survive such an ambush?
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>>61500783
forgot this absolute retard >>61499826
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>>61499879
>the US lost thousands of troops in theatre
Lol, less than 2000

>and hundreds of thousands at home from the psychological impact the Taliban terror tactics had over them.
Top kek, listen to this thirdie who drank the koolaid "Muh talichads terrified the american sogbots so much 69 billions of them committed suicide when they got home!"
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>>61499776
Isn't Isis chewing on their asses? Why mess with Pakistan instead
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>>61499817
pretty sure that guy putting on his helmet got hit while lifting it up, and his brain just finished the action before shutting down
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>>61499860
Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In My Lane. Focused. Flourishing.

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Old: >>61494749

Post groups edition.

The pastebin.... it was coming at me.... justified shoot.
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>>61500785
Sorry you have to wear the mark of arguing about ambi with me forever sweaty
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>>61500633
you would probably die too you pussy
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>>61500705
yeah tell joe biden to fucking let me in
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>>61500823
WE ARE FULL
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>>61500776
Think it's that and excess piston-carrier friction for the same reason. Would've thought H&R accounted for that, alas. I had to return the first one they sent me because there was an actual BB chrome droplet adhered to the carrier cylinder so obviously their process control is bungo.

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yet again russia managed to out tech the entire nato, while the west collective sniggers at technology they fail to understand, we are sure to see the idea copied and cloned a few years down the line, just as happened with "cope cages"
the impervious turtle tank is a genius solution. the cunning use of cheap materials and welds to create a super heavy, unkillable tank on the battlefield has already yielded tactical victories. watch again how the russian schoolmaster teaches the smugly western spoiled brats before fucking them in the ass
meanwhile the abraham is withdrawn because it could not stand on her own in the field of battle
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>>61500751
>>61500725
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>>61500584
NTA
It's too early to tell what Ocherityne represents.
The salient looks retarded and suicidal.
But what created the salient is a Ukie battalion deserting their post, according to Ukie twitter.
Perpetua noted 3 Bradleys lost yesterday, which would imply a very active, committed defense, by the 47th Mech who got rushed in to plug the gap.
Ukie twitters saying the East is in a bad way (although it looks bad for both sides nearly everywhere)
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>OP being sarcastic about a few old tanks with some welded panels being the end of ukraine and the new russian wunderwaffe
>somehow russian shills think he is serious
>same with nafo posters
It's a good bait when you manage to fool both sides. Good job OP
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>>61498342

The West envisioned it 500 years ago
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>>61498491
Still seething at T-72 destroying abram. Lol

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Are the bigger ones like Buds, MidwayUSA, Brownells, Guns.com really any good? The only time I've ever bought a gun to ship to an FFL it was PSA, and it was a good experience. A new range just opened near me, and they're technically a gun store, and they do transfers for $15. I feel like I should take advantage of this to get the online deals I always hear about, but I'm not sure what are the best places.
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I've only done online three times so far, first was from mega arms, which is a pretty small operation but it was no trouble
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>>61495337
yeah fair enough. when it's chickenfeed level money I'm willing to pay a bit for speed too. but sometimes the deals are worth it even if it takes weeks or months.

tho haven't found it easy myself getting back to that, kinda funny how our brains can get rewired. it's a different mindset to have to really think ahead and order enough and the right stuff at once that I once had better but didn't exercise. I hear alaska bros who have that still outta necessity, ain't no 2-day shipping there. like to get decent ammo pricing have to pay freight on a ship ideally organize a ton of buddies to get a huge amount all at once.
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>>61475515
>Botach
$645 for a case of Winchester 55 grain .223...get fucked.
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>>61473424
Range USA offers some pretty good sales prices but their non sale prices are pretty bad
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>>61498807
PSA was charging $600 + tax and shipping for the same thing up until recently. Everyone likes to praise PSA but they are not as consumer-price friendly as the masses would lead you to believe.

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A thread for the discussion of making and shooting your own hot loads.
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>>61498710
Well, you're here now.
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Did some 45-70 with standard length casings. Used 47gn of imr 3031 and pressed a 405gr bullet into the cartridged. Shook it a bit and it sounds like it's completely full. My lee load data mentions a min of 45.5 to max 48.5 gn of imr 3031.

I know 3031 is a slower burning cartridge but would I get a squib?
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>>61493392
Laughs in 10 cent .44 magnum reloads
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>>61500418
>I know 3031 is a slower burning cartridge but would I get a squib?
no. you'll know because instead of going
>bang!
it'll go
>click
it's pretty easy to tell when .45-70 goes off.
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>>61500418
>I know 3031 is a slower burning cartridge but would I get a squib?
a squib in a case with 47 grains of powder ?

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It's evolving.

>Russians once again storming Krasnohorivka on such "Turtle" with powerful EW systems.
https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1783420188261584949
>More Russian blyatmobile's appearing in the streets of occupied Donetsk.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1783397343229776159
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>>61489518
Cirrugated iron roofing sheets are thenew tank armour.
Bob Semple vindicated.
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>>61489591
>i have heard some russian claims that these tanks apparently dont have functioning guns anyway, and only have a driver inside
Makes sense from looking at the picrel. The gun is elevated at like 30 degrees. Unless they're attacking another slag pile there's nothing up there to shoot.
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>>61491517
Impressive
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Test
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>>61499617
To notice absolutely anything else, from physical obstacles to mines to enemy infantry to enemy vehicles and so on. The number of threats in Ukraine are definitely not limited to drones you retard

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China is the worlds 5th largest arms exporter, and produces some of the best drones out there.

So when is /k/ going to take Chinese weapons seriously?
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die
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>>61500351
I've been wanting the knockoff 87 for the range so bad but the machining marks on pictures makes me wonder what else did they skip out on with the internals
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>>61500391
Pretty sure it's just luck of the draw + break in period. Also, it says "MADE IN ZHONG CHANG CHINGCHONG FACTORY" in big letters on the left side, which sucks
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>>61486298
When they're battle-tested, to start with. A hurdle the CCP has conscientiously avoided.
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>>61498014
QBZ > 86s but not by much. Not like they were designed for the same markets though. The QBZ is a military rifle first, designed for domestic use and foreign contracts. The 86s was just an American commercial market exclusive designed to get American consumer dollars before the chinks for their shit banned. Afaik they were never sold outside the US, and we only got 2000 or so of them.

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Were heavy cruisers a mistake? An 8 inch gun has mild advantages over a 6 inch gun in range and armor-piercing, but puts way less metal downrange because a 6 inch shell is the heaviest you can expect a gunner to load manually. Would Japan have done better if she'd armed her CAs with 5x3 6 inch guns like the Brooklyn-class?
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>>61489374
>THIS WILL NOT APPEAR ON YOUR PHOTOGRAPH
okay dude
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>Imagine having all of your "arguments" so thoroughly debunked that you can only resort to mindlessly screaming about photograph copyrights
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>>61496805
Yorktown’s air group got better quickly. USN independent aircraft procurement was much better than the RAF “fuck the RN” policy.
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>>61497361
he meant Pacific
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>>61497469
You do appear to not know that rapid fire 8” was not extant until postwar, the installation was large and heavy, and the research and construction cost was high. Rapid fire Exeters? No way.

Hypothetically, could the US mount a (successful) full-scale invasion of Iran if given, let's say, a year to prepare? I would be inclined to say no, since the US military has downsized significantly since 2003, and Iran is a substantially bigger and more populous country than Iraq. Agree or disagree?
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>>61500433
You don't get it; we are an econo-cultural empire. We occupy with wants and needs. Iraqis already wanted to buy our stuff before we kicked out Saddam; in a couple of generations you'll se a McDonald's on every street corner. A trillion is a drop in the bucket.
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It would be iraq 3.0, we would absolutely annihilate the military and government but there would be a prolonged insurgency afterwards because nothing unites a population like a foreign occupier.

>b-but the population is young and progressive!
That shit goes out the window if your home happens to get leveled in an airstrike with your parents or sibling still inside
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>>61498183
No wmds but no rules 24 hours no building over a story is standing in Iran.
Then we burn the rubble.
Then we melt the ground
Then we send in drones for a month hunting any person
Then we bomb it again and again and again
Then more drones
Then snipers then we take over
Boomers aren't the top of the food chain in the military anymore. It's all Afghanistan Iraq war vets..moon scape it. Kill everyone. Moon scape it. Kill everyone. Take it over. The world forgets in 3 months.
That's how we millinials think. Fuck nation building and hearts and minds. Fuck opinion. Do the mission fast.
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>>61500733
>A trillion is a drop in the bucket
Not when we have a multi-trillion dollar budget deficit that we can’t climb out of in the foreseeable future. George W inherited a budget surplus and then helped create our current national debt crises to pay for an ultimately unnecessary war. An invasion of Iran would shake out very similarly.
>swift and decisive military victory
>expensive and prolonged insurgency
>diplomatic tension with allies
>several trillion dollars added to our national debt
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>>61500798
Shabbat Shalom rabbi!

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why during bootcamp training is it always such a heavy focus on having beds done like pic rel? isn't it impractical to have to redo the bed every time you want to lie under your duvet since the duvet is folded underneath the flat sheet (which will come undone every time...?)
pic unrel, don't have a pic of the phenomena
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>>61500588
it’s okay, noone checks on them anymore since we aren’t recruits anymore, we weren’t allowed phones during boot
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>>61500496
surely you have references that are close, send those instead?
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>>61499775
I never made my bunk the correct way during BCT and nothing happened. The Drills were gonna toss it either way so I just stopped trying. It bit me in the ass at Guard OCS because they expect the same thing, just with even more attention to detail. Luckily I had good battle buddies who would make my bed and I just slept on the floor for 18 months during drill weekends.
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>>61499775
>why during bootcamp training is it always such a heavy focus on having beds done like pic rel?
>pic unrel, don't have a pic of the phenomena

groundbreaking post, in genuine awe
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>>61499775
Bootcamp is basically what 1950s fudds thought was effective habits and training, and with how dogmatic the mil is it hasn't changed in any meaningful way.

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So now that its confirmed that ukraine will recieve "long range ATACMS" in the next weeks.
which ones? Your bet /k/? Can these toys take down certain bridge if they need to do it?
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>>61494687
Oh Lord its the fucking schizo that was fixated on Ukrainians shitting in bags again. Aren't you actually Australian?
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Why hasn't Ukraine or US Ally's developed a cheap gps guided rocket that can be produced enmass something with maybe 70km range and accurate to about 300 meters. Something super simple and can be launched like 200 at a time. If Hamas can make shitty unguided rockets with the garbage laying around Palestine surely Ukraine could use phone GPS sensors hooked up to a raspberry pi and some rudders to guide something
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>>61499212
With how GPS guidance works there isn't any real cost increase for accuracy so you could easily get 10m CEP for the same price.
The real cost comes from storage requirments because if you want to put a machine in storage for 20 years and have it work after that you need to avoid a lot of cheap options like rubber and steel.
IMO we should develop non-storable systems as a cheap option that can have a production line quickly spooled up but we don't make them until they are needed to avoid the storage issue.

This way you have a factory gathering dust with minimal maintainence which is effectively free if state owned and you could still shit out hundreds or even thousands of units a month when shit kicks off.
Catch is we don't like nationalized production these days and any corporate board would see a factory gathering dust and either want to convent it for something they have orders for or sell it.
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>>61494696
comes up when googled >>61492114
guess you're just a nigger ;(
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>>61499589
Non-storables is a bad idea because you don't have a buffer to work on. Say it is "storable" for a few years like 5. When you wished you had a reserve stockpile of 20 years to blow through quickly you won't have it and can only be reactive. When you want to spool up production you'll be limited by downstream supply like rocket motors. Even if you expanded that production it would be at tremendous cost. If anything disrupts production like a process changeover from your downstream supplier or EPA mandated ban of certain chemicals you're fucked.

>nationalized production
Already exists as GOCOs like Lima tank plant. Government owned, contractor operated. The idea is they can "flick the switch" for production scaling.

The real problem you're facing is the Peace Dividend when everyone thought Russia finally would fuck off after 1991 and the even worse decision of "dude just trust me" when it came to China. So much for the end of history.

Is this an effective military recruitment strategy?
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>>61500637
Ukrainian widows and polish incels, win win
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>>61500637
Yes.
The main issue that Ukraine is facing though, is the government's refusal to mobilize, because they believe it would be unpopular. That stands in direct contrast to what is happening in Russia, where they drag people from their homes, to die on the frontline with no training.
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>>61500772
The question is will the surplus of Ukrainian widows cause a disruption in the production of Polish femboys? Will incels need to transition if they can instead hatefuck Ukrainian meat grinder leftovers?
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>>61500637
Yes, especially since majority of them came through via border bribes. They aren't supposed to be there unless they are international students, which are exempt from military services. Its no different from extraditing criminals who is likely rich too.
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>>61500637
Yes, every nation in WW1 and WW2 did it.

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>>61468150
>attacks at high altitude during the day bristling with defensive guns
>minimal effect on target and 10% losses per sortie
>attacks at low altitude at night with all guns removed in favor of more bombs
>extremely effective and only lose 4% maximum per sortie
>crewmen still maintain the high altitude flights were safer
I guess the golden rule as a commander is to always ignore the grunts mewling.
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>>61499300
>mistake
They didn't have a real choice, skilled pilots were in short supply even before the war, they had to pull instructors from the schools to fill out the Pearl Harbor raid crews. From then on it was harder to justify pulling the skilled pilots out of combat because doing so would lead to a massive plunge in overall frontline pilot quality. The hope and prayer was that those old guard pilots could hold the line long enough for a peace to break out.
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>>61438809
All that matters is the zips lost, the real people won.
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>>61500132
Turns it into potential for discussion instead of a circle jerk. Seems like you're only capable of calling that anon a retard.
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>>61500630
nah they made some terrible conscious decisions to keep airmen, even surplus ones that should've been sent home to reconstitute their groups, at the front line. take the pilot cadres from the best carriers after they were sunk in Midway, contrary to popular belief only less than a quarter of them perished during the action. the IJN dispersed them at various places in the pacific, mostly Rabaul, because they didn't want them to go home and spill the beans about the disaster. this also happened to the vast majority of personnel involved in the action around Midway, including crews of the carriers in question. the IJNAS and IJAAF had a lot of surplus and potential to rotate some airmen to the rear to train newer airmen. this is only a microcosm of the problem anyway, the few expert airmen who were rotated to the rear noted that junior pilots often outranked veterans and had a conceited and arrogant attitude that made it hard to pass down the knowledge.


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